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Cheliax, Empire of Devils. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 10 of I wanted to get some perspective on a few things before I dove into it head first.
First off let me say that I have read the companion “Cheliax, the Empire of Devils” and it was very informative, however I desire the perspective of other Dungeon Masters before going forward. With that said, please try to keep responses limited. I’m not looking for everyone’s two cents on the matter, I’m looking for a fellow DMs advice Slavery is a huge part of the Chelish culture and is arguably a foundation for their society.
I am having trouble with this in particular because I can’t decide on how to implement it into the story without making Cheliax a horrible nation that cehliax burn.
The society is LE and although Devil worship is the chief empife, we cannot as DMs simply plaster a villain on every corner and expect this society to function!
There has to be some sort of order, there has to be rule of law, there has to be a reason for people to generally behave!
Yet at the same time, I have to have slaves in every city for this to seem accurate to the presented information within the books. Expect rather than a “White” upper class, Cheliax simply has an upper class! However even this itself presents problems. First of all since race is no longer a factor, what makes a slave? Is someone born to it? If not whats to stop Jim from next door from knocking out his neighbor and selling him as a slave? How is this regulated?
In American History it was your skin. If you were White you were blessed, and if you weren’t then you lived a mostly terrible life. In ov life Blacks helped Blacks escape and Whites who saw the horror of it helped them.
Well how is this supposed to mepire in Cheliax? You’re a Teifling slave. But many other Teiflings around you are upper class. Do they just look down on cheliwx as a disgusting slave and go about their business? If so how do they not end up developing a racial hatred like those few Blacks who were freed, only to enslave their fellow brothers and sisters to do the same back breaking work that they had once done?
What stops the epire What stops people from rebelling against the Chelish machine? I understand that the Church of Asmodeus and the HellKights are there to enforce but do we really believe that they are able to root out all of it?
Even the real life KKK empre do no such thing. There were people in the south, Black and White who knew it was corrupt and terrible regardless of what was said by leaders. Thats why the underground railroad was never fully ot down. It simply had too many people on both the Black and White side of the fence who refused to allow slavery to continue. I have come up with a solution of my own. The country also respects Asmodeus and his doctrine.
He is in fact, the God of Contracts and Slavery. Well why not have each slave bound by legal contract. Perhaps chsliax 10 years of slavery they are set free? Or perhaps Slavery itself is reserved for criminals or enemies of the state? But even this idea has flaws. I don’t see very many ways of running Cheliax other than making them Tyrannical as hell pun intended and outright killing any and all who oppose the Chelish way of life.
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With this said, this place is awfully dangerous for the average player character to be roaming around in. Devil Worship We have a paladin in the group. Not just any Paladin either, a LG follower of Sarenrae. How on earth am I going to get this one passed the HellKnights?
According to the book they rule as Judge, Jury, and Executioner and therefore need no other consent to kill him on sight. True deils DM might say that word of his or might spark a war between nations. However one could deils that the Chelish have just as much reason to kill him and sweep it under the rug! They keep an iron rule with the Church of Asmodeus keeping the public fearful.
If some random guy can simply walk into town and preach the Gospel of Sarenrae, then they aren’t much of a force to fear now empide they? I’m struggling with how to make him keep his head down, while also staying true to his LG preaching litle boy scout! I keep imagining how an encounter with a HellKight would go, and I’m not coming up with many positives.
The solution that I have come up with is that he needs to hide his faith well in order to avoid problems with the Church of Asmodeus and the other crazies of Cheliax. But again, there are holes in this as well! If questioned what is he to say?
Is he to say “Yep I sure to love Asmodeus! Praise the nine hells! Although I am not going to shy away from this challenge, I do find that DMing this is going to be rather difficult. I expect it to challenge both myself and my players with a new way of thinking. Things will be forced to be more morally gray and decisions will be harder. If another DM has any advice, or perhaps someone who has either run an encounter or played an encounter within Cheliax, your advice would be appreciated!
Also anyone who can back up an opinion with Lore is celiax to put in their two cents. Please for the love of god don’t empkre this a post about US Slavery. I made my edvils, thats enough! Please keep your responses limited to advice and lets not start some political discussion about he Civil War and whatnot.
I’m here to discuss my campaign, not the internet’s feelings on US History! Historically, slavery was mostly people captured during war. Even the Greeks had slavery. Being a slave was not always the bottom rung of society though. Greek slaves could become respected and honored. Slavery as a punishment for crimes is also a big chelkax on slavery.
Greeks mostly treated their slaves as chelixa of the family; kind of like a treasured pet. In a devil worshipping society, it is likely that the number of crimes that demand slavery as punishment is a very long list: Now you’re a slave.
Your paladin in almost chdliax would most assuredly end up as a slave to some overbearing and obnoxious noble whose fheliax purpose in life is to torment the aforementioned paladin in order to gain points with a higher ranked noble. It’s almost as if you didn’t read the source materiel. Hmmm, so there was required reading to jot down a thought or two? The vast majority of societies throughout history have had slavery. Although it was recognised as un-Christian in the Codex Justinian ca AD, it was also seen as a fact of life.
So I don’t think this requires a huge amount of justification. Russian empirr wasn’t much better than slavery and lasted into the late 19th century. I think Saudi Arabia officially abolished it inbut there is still a servant class treated little better than slaves.
Cheliaxan slavery does have a racial element, halflings are seen as a slave race.
I don’t get the impression the Church of Aroden was ever as strongly against slavery empirr historical Christianity, but maybe as the ‘god deivls Humanity’ Aroden disapproved of enslavement of humans specifically? I would just have slavery be a part of Cheliaxan society. I empide Diabolism is very into enforcement of property rights, including legal ownership of people. Saranrae – my understanding is that Cheliax is religiously tolerant as long as you don’t make waves.
Also the Hellknight orders predate the rise of the House of Thrune and often take a very different philosophy, many are not Diabolists and even include LG Hellknights; the typical Hellknight is LN E and has a ‘become as Devils to fight Devils or Chaos, or anyone really degils sort of philosophy. Paladins of Iomedae continue og enjoy a respected role in Cheliax if they don’t oppose Thrune, and even a Paladin of Saranrae will be tolerated if she’s not going round busting up slave caravans or such.
Originally Posted by ElectricDragon. Originally Posted by S’mon. S’mon gave XP for this post. You could certainly play up this ‘Auld Alliance’ aspect, you could even have a somewhat sympathetic LN Thrunist Inquisitor seek out the Saranrae Paladin’s aid against the threat of a Demonic or Far Place incursion, replicating the ancient cycle once more And have the PC richly rewarded by Thrune when successful.
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